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The Share Guide:
I want to start first, Caroline, by asking how
you define the term 'Medical Intuitive'.
Myss: For me it is a capacity to interpret the
data in the human energy system, and apply that to assessing a
person's health. Data includes emotional information, and for me,
fundamentally, one's biographical background. Which is why I teach
that your biography becomes your biology. For me, all of the data
that is contained in your cell memory, and in your energetic field,
is able to be picked up. I shouldn't say all, 'cause that's not true
at all. But dominant energy patterns that are contributing to the
stress in a human being, are able to be picked up, if a person is
open enough. And so, for me, as a medical intuitive, that's where I
focus my attention. That's what the skill is all about.
The Share Guide:
It’s good to have that as a starting point for our readers, who
may not be familiar with your work. I myself am very interested in
meditation and spirituality. I'm wondering what you see as the
connection between intuition and spirituality.
Intuition to me, Dennis, is simply a skill. It's a fundamental
survival skill, that is inherent in everyone's psyche. It's as simple
as that. It's not different than the skill to digest food.
Spirituality on the other hand, is a chosen path of developing
intimate relationships with God. It's chosen, it's nurtured, and it's
optional. Whereas intuition, it's there whether or not you
any consciousness about it at all. It's simply a natural survival
The Share Guide: Like, one of
Caroline Myss: Well,
is one of the senses. It's a survival
sense. It falls under that category. It's not a big deal. It's not a
gift. You don't have to meditate for it. You don't have to snort
tofu, any of this nonsense. It's gotten all the wrong press, because
it's been put in the wrong category. Which is that it's
extraordinary, when nothing could be more ordinary.
The Share Guide: Okay, so you
don't see it as a metaphysical thing, quite
Caroline Myss: No,
not metaphysical. It's quite
physical. It's totally a physical skill.
The Share Guide: There's a lot
of talk about spirit in relation to healing, and that's
why I brought up spirit in relation to intuition. My next questions
were regarding the chakra system, which I first became aware of
through studying meditation and yoga. I was wondering how it appears
to you in healthy and ill people. Please talk a little bit about the
I don't what you mean by the word appear. Are
you implying that I see it?
The Share Guide: Well, perhaps a
better word is. . .?
The Share Guide: How
you perceive it, yes.
It’s always been a struggle to
communicate this. Because we don't really have a vocabulary that can
accurately capture the realm that we're talking about. Because it's
not a five sensory realm. So, how I perceive the human energy system,
is not five sensory at all. And it's not in auric fields. It's none
of that stuff. I'm quite bland when it's come to drama in this field.
I simply receive an impression. An impression comes very
rapidly to me. I've often described it as a piece of ice -- it has no
feeling. It's very rapid, like an electrical shock, but without the
shock. And once I start to have actual feeling sensations, then so
far as I'm concerned, my readings become contaminated. So for me the
information has to remain incredibly neutral. It's what I would call
‘ice-like’ information. I receive very rapid impressions. I
don't have to sit there and concentrate. Because, if I start to
really focus, my conscious mind begins to apply data, which is not
The Share Guide: I get the
impression that it's more like an antenna?
The Share Guide: So in your
case, it’s not visual. You're not seeing
discoloration in different chakras, or that kind of thing?
Caroline: No, I
don't ever see any of that. Not at all.
The Share Guide: Do you perceive
soul, mind and emotions as
I think there are different layers to our
being, yes. But, you know, it's not unlike a layer cake. They're all
the same things. And they're all different functions, is how I would
put it. One has a more practical survival level, that's the mind
function. The heart function obviously has an internal level that has
to do with the quality of developing perceptions, feelings, the self.
And the spirit level has to do with the pondering part of our lives.
You know, the unanswerable questions. The "why I am here" kind of
question. These are the unanswerables, they're meant to be pondered
but never answered. And that's the province of what I would call the
soul. The spirit for me is the eternal self. And when one incarnates,
an aspect comes with that incarnation, that's called the soul. And
together the mind, the emotional body, and the soul form the energy
field that lives within this thing called the human body.
The Share Guide: Okay. From my
I’ve learned that
our physical bodies are created out of spirit. There's a sense of
layering, or coming into the body. I don't want to say down. And I've
heard that certain forms of healing, like, Bach flower remedies, for
instance, can work on the emotional level before disease will get
down into the physical.
The Share Guide: I'm just
wondering if you perceive disease as
something that condenses from spirit down through these layers.
Yes, I do.
The Share Guide: Until it gets
to the dense part?
Yes. But, it's not just disease. I think every
part of our lives begins at an energetic level. Like creativity. You
can't separate anything from that archetypal process. So it would not
be any different for illnesses. What I want to emphasize too, is that
there is a belief pattern, that's very prevalent now in our holistic
society. Would that be a good way to put it? That illness is the
cause of negativity. And actually that I would challenge. I think
negativity is a major contributor to be sure. And a definite blockage
to healing. But we cannot discount the reality of environmental
causes, and DNA, and biological stuff. We are also very presumptuous
to negate the possibility that an illness may be a gift. It's a
neutral experience is what I'm trying to say. It should be viewed in
some regard as no different than any other experience. For some
people it's the most appropriate way for them to make
choices&endash;that would then take them down a different path in
their life. In which case, was that a negative experience? Or was it
a life-transforming one? I think that attitude about all illness
being due to negativity, and negative in origin, is necessarily to
The Share Guide:
I appreciate that insight. I asked Dr. Larry Dossey some questions
about energy medicine. He thought that because many practitioners
claim to be adding energy to make someone well, that was a bit
off-base. H feels, rather, that we all have energy in the universal
field, and that it's about helping people to become more in tune. I
was wondering what you think about the term 'energy medicine', and
this idea of people adding energy to others, as opposed to
just helping them get in tune?
I would agree with Larry. I don't think any of us can
add energy to anybody. I think we can facilitate something
profoundly energetic happening within a person. Helping them get in
tune, as it were. But I think energy medicine is a field that is
probably for me the most authentic level of medicine that there is,
because it takes into account what I would call 'square one of
creation'. Which is where energy meets the process of incarnating. So
I think it is very much going to become the dominant practice of
medicine in this next millennium. We have no other place to go but
The Share Guide: Do you think
that these different energy medicines that are getting
more known, Qi Gong, acupuncture, Jin Shin, flower essences, and so
on&endash;do you think these work on a more subtle bodies, or
and that perhaps they can help balance people before they manifest
gross physical diseases?
Yes, I do. I think that they're a great assistance to that.
Absolutely. I should mention that it goes without saying that there's
no such thing as a guarantee. I have said to all the people that have
ever asked me for help that I am not an opponent of allopathic
medicine. I'm a supporter of it. And the reason is because I think
that energy medicine, in my experience, when the field first emerged
with a huge voice, it was claimed that it would outrun the capacity
that allopathic medicine has to heal things. There was this belief
that energy medicine could cure all forms of cancer, and this, that
and the other. Well, guess what, it hasn't. It hasn't outrun
allopathic medicine in the least. In fact, if you manage to heal
yourself, you could get a good book contract out of this. That's how
rare it is.
has to ponder what's the x factor that's
missing in the healing ability of energy medicine? It is not what we
thought it was cracked up to be, when we first began to turn our
allegiance to that field. I have come to believe that energy medicine
is a practice of healing that is dependent upon the energy of time.
Whereas allopathic medicine uses linear time as a fundamental healing
measure. Energy medicine needs to understand the dynamic of chiros
time, that is the time without time. Ergo, I think that is one of the
reasons, whether or not practitioners are aware of it. The focus on
letting go of one's past and forgiveness etc. The act of forgiveness
is the act of returning to present time. And that's why when one has
become a forgiving person, and has managed to let go of the past,
what they've really done is they've shifted their relationship with
time. Entering into the ‘present time,’ and that state of
electricity is the one that accommodates energy medicine. That's the
state that empowers energetic techniques. That's the point at which
aromatherapy shifts from being a perfume to actually being an
energetic force. When you look at linear medicine, the whole thing is
put in the language of time. Take these pills for six weeks. Cancer
lasts seven years. These kinds of time elements that are built into
an illness, is a very detrimental state of consciousness. But it is
the consciousness we take into the energetic medical field. And these
two are fundamentally incompatible. And that to me is a reality that
people have got to understand. That if they're gonna' use energy
medicine, they had better learn to recognize their time zone, and
their relationship to time.
The Share Guide: What you said
makes me think of shamans, and the siddhi powers, where
healings occur spontaneously. They go into a trance state…I
haven't seen these things done first hand, but I've seen some on
video…where it seems like they're actually going into a
different concept of reality, and making changes by stepping outside
our normal framework. These are traditional, indigenous cultures;
this isn't the latest new age stuff.
Yes, they are doing exactly that. They're transcending chronos time,
hour by hour clock time. And, they're ascending into chiros time,
trance time, no time. And that's why at that level, you cannot apply
the concept of time. The healing simply happens.
The Share Guide: Is that what
aborigines call 'dream time'?
The Share Guide: The same type
Yes, mystical time. Every tradition has a name for this
non-tine zone. The Greeks called it chiros.
The Share Guide: Now
I'd like to turn to some women's health questions. What
are the most common areas of imbalance that you come across in
Caroline: The fear
of not being able to survive as a single entity. The
belief that they have to have a partner. Otherwise they feel quite
The Share Guide:
More so than single men?
Oh, by far. My workshops are 85% women on average. And I would
say the majority of these women have been divorced at least once.
And, many, many, are single. And not by choice, I might add. There
are those who would make the statement, "I'm not interested in
getting married again." And while that may be true, they are most
certainly seeking somebody. Now, there's nothing wrong with that,
Dennis. There's nothing wrong with wanting a partner. But what’s
worth questioning within oneself is if you're being motivated by
weakness or fear, or if it's strength&endash;because you want to
engage with someone in a really dynamic relationship. What I see so
often, is women using the phrase, "I need someone to take care of
me." What do you mean take care of you? Why can't you take care of
The Share Guide: So
this psychological imbalance would perhaps leave one open
to more physical imbalances?
Sure it would. Because, what you do, if you get together with someone
on the premise that, "I'm afraid of this life. So, will you take care
of me?" You're setting yourself up for a fall. Because the survival
archetype is an alive entity. Its personal agenda with every person
is to empower them, so that they can stand up alone, as a functioning
consciousness. Therefore, when you enter into anything, as a
frightened being, that contract you make with another person out of
fear, has to fall apart.
The Share Guide: Do
you think that women are more likely than men to hang
wounds, and to use woundology to manipulate others around them?
No, not by any means. I think it's most definitely equal. I
think men very much can equally get into the little child, "Mommy,
take care of me," thinking. Which is very indicative of unfinished
business there. I mean, being in the wounded psyche, it shows up
differently. But, make no mistake, that talent is not
The Share Guide:
Isn't it more acceptable in our culture for women to share and
discuss wounds than it is for men?
Oh, sure. Men make a big deal. They get applauded if they stand up
and say they're in men's groups. Which drives me over the edge. Why
should they get applauded because they’ve suddenly decided to
say, "I'm emotional."? I could throw a tomato at them! I don't
applaud them. I'm thinking to myself, "Big deal. So, what if you're
in a men's group, and you're finally discussing da da da. Why should
I applaud you for doing that?" Because I think men have no emotions?
I've never bought that scoop. That's nonsense to me. Suddenly they've
become heroes to women. "Look at those sensitive men." Oh, it galls
The Share Guide:
ramifications are there, in terms of it
acceptable for women to share and discuss wounds?
Potentially, it holds everything that can empower someone. If
a woman walks in a group of battered women and says, "I've spent the
last 20 years getting the hell beat out of me." And the other women
say, "Me too, and guess what, it's not your fault. And you haven't
done anything wrong. And in fact, you better not take that anymore."
And all of a sudden this women begins to wake up, and recognize she's
married to a bully. And one day she whacks him with a frying pan, and
walks out of there. That woman's on her way to health. So there's a
lot of healing that comes from these groups. But make no mistake,
they could also come to a standstill. Once you become part of a
healing group, it can feel like you're supposed to stay in that
group, rather than utilize it for your healing, and then move on. As
if to declare, "Okay, I am healed from that. And now I'm moving on.
And I appreciate the support, but now I can support myself." But, if
it happens that a person gets so cozy in that group, and begins to
rely on those wounds--then you've got a problem. You've got a
whole different illness going on. You know, wound manipulation. It's
what I call woundology
The Share Guide: My
is a down to earth one. What do
you think are
the common causes of breast and ovarian cancer, and why are they
increasing so radically?
Caroline: Well, look
at the group of women that they're increasing
in. I think
that's your first clue. The increased statistics seem to indicate
that the groups of women who are most vulnerable, or should I say,
growing in vulnerability are yuppies. Women who fall into the, "I can
do everything," status. "I can be "The perfect mother, and a
full-time career woman, and the gorgeous wife, and endless socialite,
and dah dah dah..." The women with high social pressure seem to be
amongst the strongest carriers of the possibility of breast cancer.
Of course, there are other categories. Women who's responsibility for
family seems to fall dominantly on themselves. Often there is a
neglect factor, where they don't get any nurturing in return. The
bottom line is self-care. When there is a dirth of self-care, that's
a set up for illness.
The Share Guide:
Marin County, California is one of the highest density rates
for breast cancer in the U.S.
I didn't know that. But I'm not surprised, given what I just
The Share Guide: Do
you think these illnesses that we've just been talking
about--;these leading women's illnesses--;do you
have been accepted at the level of the collective unconscious? And
can group and community healing occur, or just individually?
Caroline: What do
you mean by accepted?
The Share Guide:
Do you think that women have just accepted that these are the
times in which we live, "X percentage of us are going to get cancer,"
and that's it? A kind of self-fulfilling process?
Okay, there's an intense focus on money, the world
that. It has always spun on that. Every single thing has been on
that. The acquisition of land, goods, slaughtering of people, taking
over of cultures, that's always been there. What's happening now,
however, is there is a fundamental deep archetypal shift in the world
of women. And it's not just that they are suddenly in the work force
in a professional way, fighting for equal wages. There is a subtle
re-shaping in a very select group of people, i.e.,
working mother, motherhood archetypes, in which there's a kind of
neglect energy that's coming in. You know, with mothers (whether or
not a working woman will admit this), I think a part of her
automatically feels guilty when she returns to work, six weeks after
she gives birth. There's something fundamentally wrong in that, in
the sense that the mother archetype does not find that comfortable.
Now, the professional woman might say, "Well, I can do both. I can
put my baby in a day care center at seven in the morning, and pick
her up at six at night. Wash her, bathe her, call that quality time,
and that's the end of my day." But the truth is, that the primal
mother archetype cannot cope with that. It's against its design. And
yet we're shifting that primal mother archetype. Whether it's because
so many women are now single mothers by divorce, or they are single
mothers by choice, or they are working mothers within a marriage,
that archetypal pattern is being tampered with. And I think that is
part of the increase in breast cancer--; because of the
tampering with the mother archetype. That's a very bold thing for me
to say, but I believe that. And to say that, now women are actually
accepting breast cancer as a matter of course, I think that women
are. . . Dennis we've got to be careful here, because I'm not sure the
right word is accepting. But women are recognizing their
vulnerability to breast cancer. And therefore there's this emphasis
on getting annual mammograms, and this type of self-care, which is
wise. But one still has to question why is there such a dramatic
increase. Now obviously there weren't people around years ago to take
statistics. It may well have been that breast cancer has always been
so prevalent. But I don't think so. I think that this concept of
mother archetype is playing a dramatic role.
The Share Guide:
I was at the Bioneers Conference last October. Samuel Epstein was
there--he is the doctor who's written the book The Politics
of Cancer. And he had the men stand up and face one another, and
he stated that 50% of us, one out of two of us, would be getting
cancer in our lifetime. And then he had the women stand up in groups
of three, instead of two, and said one of three of the women will, in
one form or another, get cancer in their lifetime. Now he was saying
that it’s based on chemicals and stuff that we're fed, and
what's in the environment. But I wonder if stating that that isn't a
bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy.
The Share Guide: For
us to stand there and go, "One out of three of us will get
It's like invoking prayer, for God's sakes.
The Share Guide:
Yes. My heart sank a little bit. Here I am trying my best to
keep a pure lifestyle. All I did was kind of react by having my
shield go up. My thoughts didn't go any farther than that it
kind of freaked me out.
I would've stood up and said, "Neither of us is getting
The Share Guide: Well, I'm
saying it now.
To me it's like a curse, to say something like that.
The Share Guide:
Yeah, let's say it in front of two thousand people, and have
them all stand up. That was a little bit of bad shamanism there.
Okay, enough on that. It seems to be that women are more caring and
empathetic than men, in general. I was wondering if you'd like to
comment on the re-integration of women into the healing arts, in
medical schools? And the teaching of these empathetic, and caring
qualities to our male healers also.
Here again, I have to' say, the idea that men are not caring
is nothing but garbage to me. I think that what's happened is that
the field of medicine has in and of itself, become far too
scientific. It's the field that is at fault, not the people. It's the
structure of the classes, it's a merger of health insurance with
medicine, that has taken the heart out, and put the mind in a very
fearful state. I think that the practice of medicine, the science of
it, has become 50% pharmacological, so that doctors are like walking
pharmacies. But I have met a lot of women who are just the same
think the idea that women have all this
wonderful emotion is a myth, as well as the fact that men do not. I
mean, people are people. What is happening across the board is that
the recognition that emotions, and the spirit and soul play a
fundamental part in the art of healing. Women most certainly carry a
more sympathetic heart in the traditional, classic sense the
mother archetype. They have been given the role to carry the heart
energy of the human community, whereas men carry the survival energy.
But I think that what's happening over all, is that the paradigm of
science medicine is being re-shaped to include the soul. And for that
reason, a paradigm is shifting, which is allowing the heart to come
into it. And that's women. I'm not contradicting what I just said,
I'm just saying that science is a vehicle that has taken the heart
out of healing. Not men, but science. Had it been women 200 years ago
who were dominating the field when science came in, I would not be
surprised if they did the same thing that we accuse men of, because
it was a force of evolution, in which science took hold and re-shaped
this vehicle called healing. And now it's simply time for the heart
to move back into that science, and merge it into another
The Share Guide:
What do you
consider the most important recent
alternative medicine? And what's next?
would say, just the general open-mindedness now.
fact that it's penetrated mainstream whether or not the public
would call it that at all. I mean, from all of these exercise
commercials, to eat a healthy diet, to menus in restaurants, even
Denny's, that are marked "healthy choice." All of that…it's
penetrated, it's made its way into the backbone of culture now. And
that to me is the major achievement. It’s now become the
foundation. We are re-shaping our culture around what it means to
take responsibility for health. That you have to exercise, do this,
do that, it's everywhere. Nike stock has earned its power in society
based on the holistic health movement, make no mistake.
The Share Guide: Do
you have medical intuitive trainings in development?
Norm and I have founded the Institute for the Science of
Medical Intuition. We begin our classes officially next year. And
we've gotten our Ph.D. program in medical intuition accredited
nationally through the English/Australian Commonwealth. The
Commonwealth of England, in other words. The program will lead to the
licensing and Ph.D. of medical intuitives. There'll be a long
program. It includes residencies with physicians.
The Share Guide:
something that would be available to
living and practicing in California?
Yes, of course, it's national.
For more information
about Caroline Myss, visit her online at www.myss.com
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